Kali Yuga

When does the Golden Age start? 

Everyone is talking about it, but nobody knows when it starts. I get an impression that many believe that it "will soon come". Maybe now or within some years or maybe within 10 years.
All those Indigo Children are "the new ones" that will lift the world to the golden dimension.
But I also get an impression that people have been expecting the kingdom of God to come "very soon" for at least 2000 years. Or waiting for Jesus. So...?

That´s what I wanted to find out and first I went to India Divine.They have picked out 15 verses that they like, by Vedavyasa in the Bhagavata Purana and I just wrote it down here.

But there was nothing about the Golden Age and I wanted to see all the verses so I went to vedabase.net Shrimad Bhagavatam 12.2.
When the constellation of the seven sages is passing through the lunar mansion Maghā, the age of Kali begins. It comprises twelve hundred years of the demigods.

Well, it is usually said that Kali Yuga lasts for 432.000 years and it began 5000 years ago.
(Is 360 years for us one year for a demigod?)

When the great sages of the Saptarṣi constellation pass from Maghā to Pūrvāsāḍhā, Kali will have his full strength, beginning from King Nanda and his dynasty.

The very day that Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa departed for the spiritual world, the influence of the age of Kali began.
I thought that the end of Kali Yuga would be the end of the world (universe?) but here it doesn´t seem to be even the end of our world, because:
After the one thousand celestial years of Kali-yuga, the Satya-yuga will manifest again.

If 432.000 years are 1.000 celestial years, then one celestial year would be 432 earthly years. So 432 years form a celestial cycle = the whole wheel around!
That could be the reason why the numbher 432 is emphasised i BhagavadGita, where every verse has 4 lines and 32 syllables.
So Kali Yuga is 1.000 celestial years. Then I just take for granted that Dvapara Yuga is 2.000, Treta Yuga is 3.000 and Satya Yuga is 4.000 years. That makes 10.000 celestial years for the whole thing to go around..

I had got the impressiopn that the whole world would crash at the end of Kali Yuga, but ... obviously not:

The cycle of four ages — Satya, Tretā, Dvāpara and Kali — continues perpetually among living beings on this earth, repeating the same general sequence of events.

Det är ont och gott, förvirring och visdom, som står och svajar mot varandra och ibland vinner den ena och ibland den andra. Ondskans och okunnighetens period avslutas med att Kalki rider upp på scenen och avslutar allt elände, som Kali har orsakat.

I found a debate forum where I pick out parts of the text.

The age of Kali-yuga is said to start from the year 3102 BC, after the disappearance of Lord Krishna. Lord Caitanya appeared 500 years ago, at which time the Golden Age within Kali-yuga is supposed to start and last another 10,000 years.

 Kali Yuga started at 3102 BC .

Golden Age started 500 years ago
and will last 10.000 years.
Kali Yuga lasts 432.000 years.

...........

More about Kali Yuga

At the end of the Golden Age the lower modes of material nature will become so strong that people will lose interest in spiritual topics. People who are spiritual will be ridiculed and they will flee the cities to live underground in caves or high up in the mountains, or simply disengage from the earthly plane of existence.

I took pieces from "pilgrim" on the Forum of David Icke.

Well, isn´t this already happening ? The Christian katars were hiding on the high cliffs, the hippies tried to get away from the ordinary society by forming coollectives in the country-side and now we have the electro-sensitive people who hide in the forests.
Why is society so awful that people have to hide from it? Well, just look at the TV-news!
The pharmaceutical industry is corrupt and so is the big food industry (with Monsanto!) and so are the politicians and the medical doctors. And so on. YouTube is full of these stories and so is Newsvoice.

It is exactly in the way that it is described in these old books (which were originally oral tradition).

Srimad Bhagavatam 12.2 from vedabase

Wealth alone will be considered the sign of a man's good birth, proper behavior and fine qualities.

Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. 

Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex. 

A man will be known as a brāhmaṇa just by his wearing a thread.

A person's spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to external symbols.

One who is very clever at juggling words will be considered a learned scholar.

A person will be judged unholy if he does not have money.

Beauty will be thought to depend on one's hairstyle.

Filling the belly will become the goal of life.

Earth becomes crowded with a corrupt population.

The citizens will flee to the mountains and forests.

Harassed by famine and excessive taxes, people will resort to eating leaves, roots, flesh, wild honey, fruits, flowers and seeds.
Struck by drought, they will become completely ruined.

The citizens will suffer greatly from cold, wind, heat, rain and snow.

They will be further tormented by quarrels, hunger, thirst, disease and severe anxiety.

 The maximum duration of life for human beings in Kali-yuga will become fifty years.

So-called religion will be mostly atheistic.

The kings will mostly be thieves, the occupations of men will be stealing, lying

Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.

Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount  Devadatta and, sword in hand, he will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.

After all the impostor kings have been killed, the residents of the cities and towns will feel the breezes carrying the most sacred fragrance of the sandalwood paste and other decorations of Lord Vāsudeva, and their minds will thereby become transcendentally pure.

When Lord Vāsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears in their hearts in His transcendental form of goodness, the remaining citizens will abundantly repopulate the earth.

When the Supreme Lord has appeared on earth as Kalki, the maintainer of religion, Satya-yuga will begin.

Golden Age in KaliYuga

When does it start?

What does it mean?

No, I am not going to tell exactly how it is – I am merely making up notes about it to make it understandable.

People are making up all sorts of fantasies about the coming Golden Age as if it would be an age that would start in the nearest future (maybe next year) and then last forever and all problems will be gone and Earth will return to be God´s paradise.

The idea about a Golden Age was first spread "to all people" in the West by Hare Krishna, who were everywhere on the streets with their Vedanta books in the 70s. So I suspect that their talking about a Golden Age is what has propagated and become the belief that God´s eternal paradise is knocking on the door right now.

It has just substituted the belief that ”Jesus will soon come and then the ones who believe in him will come to Heaven”. Most people do not like Christianity but they take the same ideas and dress them up in other garments sending hearts and angels to each other on the net in the same way as people did with beautifully painted cards around 1890 and "God´s Kingdom on Earth" has become substituted with a Golden Age that is connected with the mystic wisdom of ancient Red Indians and so... far away from any connection to Jesus!
The angels are teenagers now, instead of the little half naked children that were painted in the churches 100 years ago (probably symbolic for innocence or maybe they were supposed to attract men to the church???) and the talking about God and Jesus has become the talking about Mother Earth and nature.

God´s kingdom, that will soon come, has become the Golden Age, and instead of referring to the Bible we refer to all kinds of native peoples´ old mythology or just any film on YouTube.

The other day my friend Mona asked me:

”But how is it with this Golden Age? 

When does it start?”

I know that the Hare Krishna has this concept, but even if I read it in the original (translated) text I cannot see exactly when this Golden Age is supposed to start.
But I think that it must be somewhere in these scripts because they seem to be the most solid information from ancient times. Probably I just cannot find it.

The KaliYuga is 432.000 years long and we have now passed the first 5.000 years of it. If the Goolden Age starts ”now” (when we have eliminated Monsanto, the weapon industry and the chemical pollution?) there will be 417.000 years left after it.

My first question is:
Is that right? Is it supposed to start ”now”? Or when?
What does the text say?

Within this 432,000 year period, there is a period of 10,000 years that will be the Golden Age. That golden age is being described below by the Lord (Bhagavan).. This text is taken from the Brahma-vaivarta Purana. = from the net.

bhagarathy uvaca
he natha ramanashreshtha
yasi golokamuttamam
asmakam ka gatishcatra
bhavishyati kalau yuge

Translation:
Ganges said: O protector, Supreme enjoyer, on your departure for the perfect abode, Goloka, thereafter what will be my situation in the age of kali?

Text 50
sri-bhagavan uvaca
kaleh pancasahasrani
varshani tishtha bhutale
papani papino yani
tubhyam dasyanti snanatah

Translation:
The blessed Lord said: On the earth 5,000 years of kali will be sinful and sinners will deposit their sins in you by bathing.

Text 51
man-mantropasakasparshad
bhasmibhutani tatkshanat
bhavishyanti darsanacca
snanadeva hi jahnavi

Translation:
Thereafter by the sight and touch of those who worship me by my mantra, all those sins will be burnt.

Text 52
harernamani yatraiva
puranani bhavanti hi
tatra gatva savadhanam
abhih sarddham ca shroshyasi

Translation:
There will be chanting of the name of Hari and reading of the [Bhagavata] Purana. Reaching such a place, attentively hear.

purana shravanaccaiva
harernamanukirtanat
bhasmibhutani papani
brahma-hatyadikani ca

Translation:
Sinful reactions including the killing of a brahmana can be nullified by hearing the Purana and chanting of the names of Hari in the manner of devotees.

Text 54
bhasmibhutani tanyeva
vaishnavalinganena ca
trinani shushkakashthani
dahanti pavako yatha

Translation:
Just as dry grass is burnt by fire, by the embrace of My devotees all sins are burnt.

Text 55
tathapi vaishnava loke
papani papinamapi
prithivyam yani tirthani
punyanyapi ca jahnavi

Translation:
O Ganges, the whole planet will become a pilgrimage sight by the presence of My devotees, even though it had been sinful.

Text 56
madbhaktanam sharireshu
santi puteshu samtatam
madbhaktapadarajasa
sadyah puta vasundhara

Translation:
In the body of my devotees remains eternally [the purifier]. Mother earth becomes pure by the dust of the feet of my devotees.

Text 57
sadyah putani tirthani
sadyah putam jagattatha
manmantropasaka vipra
ye maducchishtabhojinah

Translation:
It will be the same in the case of pilgrimage sights and the whole world. Those intelligent worshipers of my mantra who partake My remnants will purify everything.

Text 58
mameva nityam dhyayante
te mat pranadhikah priyah
tadupasparshamatrena
puto vayushca pavakah

Translation:
They are more dear to Me than My life, who everyday meditate only on Me. The air and fire become pure simply even by their indirect touch.

Text 59
kaler dasha-sahasrani
madbhaktah santi bhu-tale
ekavarna bhavishyanti
madbhakteshu gateshu ca

Translation:
For 10,000 years of kali such devotees of mine will fill the whole planet. After the departure of My devotees there will only be one varna [outcaste].

Text 60
madbhaktashunya prithivi
kaligrasta bhavishyati
etasminnantare tatra
krishnadehadvinirgatah

Translation:

Devoid of My devotees, the earth will be shackled by kali. 

Saying this Krishna departed.

http://www.bvashram.org/prophecy-of-the-golden-age-from-brahma-vaivarta-purana/#comment-4229

This means victory to the good side (and then the crash). Earth will be filled by the devotees, the rightous ones that are acting in accord with divine or moral law (free from sin) and this seems to be what is behind also the Christian and Muslims ideas. I think it is very mych possible that they have taken their ideas from the old Indian Vedanta tradition. Even their own prophets can have had contact with Vedanta gurus, who knew all these ”texts” by heart.

Note that Vedanta does not say that you should kill people!!! People have distorted and perverted the old messages. I would say that the biggest distortion comes from our ability to read written text, because then it is possible for anyone to translate the old words into just anything that suits his own mental and emotionel level. I do not think that a translation into another language will ever be fully OK because many words cannot be properly translated. The main ideas remain, but get slightly distorted.

Anyway. Today we can see that the amount of so called good people is getting bigger and today they have the ability to find each other on the net and to share their ideas and form groups and make films and newspapers, which they could not in the old times when people with spiritual gifts got burned as witches or accused of being troll-priests, evil sorcerers and so on (when the Christian church got involved). Today they get attacked by VoF (which has substituted the priests), the old mainstream media and the authorities that are defending the big companies, but these "alternative" people are not so vulnerable any more as they have got means for defending themselves. At least not here in the West. It seems to be different in some other countries.

But there are all over the world more and more people who defend the planet with it's nature and animals against the destruction operated by the greedy humans. Billions of people are protesting and many are preaching about the importance of waking up!
How you will wake up (if you do) depends on your personality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqsFp0J22Hc

This could very well be the beginning of a Golden Age and in that case we can assume that the Vedanta means that this age begins after the initial 5.000 years and they have passed now.

When the destruction of our planet gets so severe that we all get sick, psychotic and crippled from it, more and more people will wake up and become aware of what is going on and they will change their minds about it and jump over to the good side.
But I believe that many will also do the opposite: turn to more money-making, more medicines and more technical inventions that are supposed to solve the situation (which will not work).

It was the so called hippie movement that started this in the 70s. In the middle of this we had (for the first time) the Hare Krishna people running around on the streets with their drums and rosaries. A strong wave of idealism swept over the western world and millions of young people got interested in spiritual ideas and disciplines like macrobiotics, vegetarianism, pacifism, Buddhism, anthroposofy, astrology, homeopathy and so on.
These alternative young people were at that time not mixed with the normal young mainstream people and it was easy to see on which side a person was.

In the 80s people turned to shamanism and the Red Indians and after that the polarisation was not so evident any more. Today we can find these ”alternative” ideas everywhere (as they have also become a business that people can make money from!)

But the horror and evil also seem to get stronger. Never before have we heard about so much demonic cruelty as today and it seems to be getting worse and worse with nuclear accidents, bombs, poisonous chemicals everywhere, the erasing of whole cities and people getting murdered and raped in huge amounts. The whole nature is close to get exstinct by humans. Not even the weather is left to be working in it´s own natural ways. Even the vibrations (the frequencies) of the surface of the globe are being changed by the clever scientists.

It is possible that the ”good people” will in some way outnumber the others and ”get the power” if we all get enough scared by the global destruction. How else would there be a golden age?

But ...
I think that every planet has it´s own vibratonal frequency, its own ”energy pattern” that is like a colour or a tone or a weight, because it has to have a certain quality to maintain it´s position among the other planets.

Earth has, as long back as I know about it, been a planet where a huge amount of killing was going on. If people were peaceful during the SatyaYuga then our planets was maybe not so materially dense as it is today.
But with this modern density we also have the killing because most animals are eating each other in quite violent ways. Even cows are eating huge amounts of small animals (they are in the grass). The killing must go on but it does not have to be done by all people.
In the relatively old times many men were hunters and this was just normal. Maybe there is a big amount of men, who are meant to be hunters (it is in the genes and I have read that it can probably be connected to the missing of one dopamine-receptor). Hunters feel lost in our modern world so they start killing each other when their jobs have been taken over by machines and meat-factories (animals´death camps).
If planet Earth is a planet where a lot of killing goes on all the time we must have a lot of animals that are taking care of this to keep the earth´s balance. Otherwise hunters have to do it and if they cannot chaos breaks loose. (Calm... I can change my theory if someone presents a better idea).

Something tells me that it is not possible to transform Earth into a divine planet of eternal bliss, but maybe into one that is more natural (just leave the wild animals to be what they are!) because the killing has a good purpose in nature. It prevents sick and wounded animals from having to get operations, medicines and wheel chairs.
What Krishna says about humans probably goes for animals too: ”Don´t be sad about that! They do not die in reality. They come back!”
(He did not mean that we should make an effort to kill as much as possible!)

If the globe, our planet, should keep it´s vibrational balance during this Golden Age there has to be a polarisation between either good and bad people (they have many names as for example devotees and demons) or between a good human population and a huge, wild nature.

The Vedanta seems to be saying that this polarisation will be between two kinds of people and finally these groups will split up when the people will be reborn on different places.

It only means the same thing as it always means: you will be reborn where you belong and this is directed by your own will, wishes, behaviour, thoughts and actions (your unconscious memories and vibrational status).

So actually we do not have to be troubled by the question about this Golden Age. But now a friend asked me: ”Exactly when does it start?” and I do not know. I have not seen it written anywhere.

The verses above, that I quoted, are from the Brahma-vaivarta Purana.

The verses were spoken by Lord Krishna to Mother Ganga just before the beginning of Kali yuga (the age of quarrel and strife). Kali yuga began approximately five thousand years ago, and it has a duration of 432,000 years, leaving us with 427,000 till the end of the present age.
http://www.bvashram.org/prophecy-of-the-golden-age-from-brahma-vaivarta-purana/#comment-4229

I also wonder how bhagarathy uvaca can be translated into Ganges said. (I just suppose that Ganges said would be Ganga uvaca)
It is possible that it just means ”said to the Lord” so that it just implicitly means ”Ganges said” but it is not exactly what is written.
Making small changes (that not mean much) can in the long run, when it is re-done over and over again by different people, change a text into something that it was not supposed to be.

The age of the current Manu is calculated to last some 305.300.000 of which 120.400.000 have past. From Hare Krishnas BhagavadGita.

That means that this world has left 184.900.00 and what is that? 

185 millions of years left!

KaliYuga is the last yuga and it is supposed to be 432.000 years. As it started 5000 years ago there are 427.000 years left. Of these years 10.000 are the Golden Agen (whenever it starts) and then we have the last horrible 417 years left until the whole dissolves.

The yugas are
KaliYuga 432.000 years
DvaparaYuga should be 864.000 Prabhupada said 800.000 years, but dva means 2 in Russian so I suppose DvaparaYuga should have the double length of the first one.
TretaYuga. Tre means 3 in Swedish, so I suppose it should be 3 times as long = 1296.000
SatyaYuga could be 4 times as long. That makes 1728.000.

I ad them together and it makes 432.000 x 10 = 4.320.000 which would be the time length of our world (universe?) including all the yugas.

Prabhupada wrote that the age of the ”current manu” is 305,300.000 years.

300.980.000 are missing. 

4 million years are missing.

Maybe because I don´t know what a manu is?

Manu is "the father of mankind", but in BG I read that the age of the current manu is 305.300.000 years. But how many manus are there in a planets life? The present manu seems to be the 8th manu on earth.

The Lord appears at the end of DvapataYuga of the 28th millennium of the 8th manu....

Do I need to say that I have lost the track of this whole counting?

I leave the maths and turn to another way of thinking.
Maybe the figures 432 are just symbolic, because they correspond to the length of the three first ages: Satya, Treta and Dvapara. Maybe the figures 432 is just a vibrational pattern that can be of any length? Like a mathematical formula?

And they also correspond to the verses in BhagavadGita as there are 4 lines and 32 syllables in each verse. 4 syllables should be repeated 8 times to form the melody, which I suppose was very important at that time. It is the melody and the rythm that forms the vibrational message as the brain reacts differently to different kinds of tones and rythms.
So the real "god´s name" in the Hare Krishna mantra could be hidden in the melody and in the vibrational tone of the voice. In that case this vibrational name is inbedded in every verse in the whole BhagavadGita and maybe in every verse in any Vedic scripture?

How is it then with the Gayatri mantra?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE8ssnd1Pi8

Anyway... I will probably find the answer to when the Golden Age is if I google on Shrimad Bhagavatam, and then I will write the next chapter here.

Continues